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THE HOUSE OF ELROND « Thread Started on Aug 24, 2005, 5:58am »
ELROND
Though he is known as 'Half-elven', Elrond's lineage is much more complicated than that title suggests. He could claim descent from all the main branches of the Eldar, each of the Three Houses of the Edain, and even from the Maiar. To be completely correct, he was slightly more than half-elven: actually nine sixteenths of his ancestors were Elves. A full breakdown of his descent works out like this:
• Three eighths Edain, through two lines: his grandfather Tuor of the House of Hador, and his great-grandfather Beren of the House of Bëor. He was also descended from the third House of the Edain, the Haladin, through Tuor's grandmother Hareth.
• Five sixteenths Sindar, again through two lines: his grandmother Nimloth and his great-great-grandfather Thingol.
• Five thirty-seconds Vanyar, through his great-grandmother Elenwë, and also through his great-great-great-grandmother, Indis the second wife of Finwë.
• Three thirty-seconds Noldor, through his great-grandfather, Turgon (who himself had only three-quarters Noldorin blood).
• One sixteenth Maiar, through his great-great-grandmother Melian.
It's interesting to trace Elven ancestry. I know I am somewhere in the house of Elrond or related, but I am not sure if it branched off prior to Elrond or comes down through Arwen & Aragorn. I would have to find the connections there. I believe Arwen & Aragorns child Eldarion may have eventually had offspring that we know as the Picts in Scotland. That's my theory and some of these connections are discussed in "Between Sky and Earth Cruithniae" thread, though I haven't tried to find out where Arwens line fits in. Probably does though if the Maiar are in there and they are in Elronds line...
More on Eldarion:
The son of Aragorn II Elessar and Arwen Evenstar; almost nothing is known of his life, but that he became King of the Reunited Kingdom after the death of his father in IV 120.
For such an important character, almost nothing is known of Eldarion's life or deeds. Almost the only definite statement about him came from his father, who commented that he was 'full-ripe for kingship' in The Tale of Aragorn and Arwen (given in Appendix A I (v) to The Lord of the Rings). Aragorn's ancestors had tended to take over their duties as Chieftain at about the age of ninety: if Eldarion followed this pattern, this would place his birth in the years around IV 30.
Eldarion inherited his Kingdom in a manner that recalled the ancient traditions of Númenor: his father Aragorn Elessar gave him the tokens of his rule, and then gave up his life willingly, as his mighty ancestors had done thousands of years before. The new King's mother Arwen left him to rule alone, passing away to the now-empty land of Lórien, where her long life also came to an end. As well as being the Heir of Isildur and High King, his descent from Elrond through Arwen made Eldarion the lord of the remaining Elf-lands of Middle-earth. This fact seems to be the source of his name, which apparently means 'Descendant of the Eldar'.
What these great titles meant in practice, cannot now be known. There are references in the History of Middle-earth that make it all but certain that he left descendants to rule after him, but apart from these, no details of Eldarion's time as High King are recorded.
From: Encyclopedia of Arda
"Deceased Kings speak to me and I have seen the world through their eyes..." ~ A line from one of my songs in the early 90s.
Most likely they became the Pictish "kings" - more like tribal or clan chieftans over small bands of people (& elves).
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Re: THE HOUSE OF ELROND « Reply #1 on Aug 24, 2005, 5:28pm »
My Grandfather was of the Mackenzie clan. His middle name was Muir and he had Muir in his ancestry. The Muirs origin was with Fergus Mor of Ireland who fought against the Picts and later mingled. with the Picts. The Picts, as I have shown in Between Sky & Earth are descended from the Fae and/or Star Elves.
"Fergus Mor was the son of Erc, King of Irish Dalriada. By right, Fergus became King of Dalriada in about 498 AD. He soon moved his seat of power from Ireland to Scotland. The reasons for this are sketchy, some claim it was due to pressure that forced the move to protect his kingdom. While others say that Scottish Dalriada was beginning to feel its oats and Fergus moved to maintain control of his kingdom. In either case, when he arrived, Fergus brought with him a large Niallan host of warriors and all the trappings of the kingdom. The Stone of Destiny, also known as the Stone of Scone is said to have been one of those items.
With his arrival, Scottish Dalriada or Scotia Minor was now a force to be reckoned with. Fergus consolidated his power in the new lands until his death in c. 501 AD. His successors continued his efforts until c. 576, when Dalriada was strong enough to petition and successfully split from its mother country in Ireland. This seat of power eventually combined with the Empire of the Picts and later with Strathclyde and Lothian to form the modern country of Scotland.
Even though Fergus Mor did little that is notable in his lifetime besides this move, he is considered the father of all the Royal lines of Scotland and thus the father of Scotland itself. When a male line of kings died, the new line was based from a female descendant of Fergus Mor. In Scottish history there is no bloodline more impressive, as it ran through the royal houses of Alpin, Dunkeld, Bruce, Stewart and Hanover. These kings originally ruled a small island kingdom that successfully managed itself." http://www.scottishradiance.com/flotsam/flotsam0301.htm
Re: THE HOUSE OF ELROND « Reply #2 on Aug 25, 2005, 5:40am »
I really love all you put here. My Blood is of the Sindar I also have some Vanyar blood in me. (this may be the fairy part who knows) I know my blood is not from past lives. I am just wondering if I am from the remaining house of Elrond or Elwe or Luthuin. umm help?
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Re: THE HOUSE OF ELROND « Reply #3 on Aug 26, 2005, 9:20am »
Curbenedwen, you've probably seen this on other groups but I'm putting it here all in one place:
What I am really trying to explore here is the connection between Eldarion, son of Arwen and Aragorn, and the Pictish Kings of Scotland. I have come to believe that The Picts, at least in part descended from Eldarion. I also believe the Tuatha de Dannan of Ireland coincide with the Elves *somewhere* in history. The Elven & Fae traits attributed to the Picts would bear this out. I am just trying to tie together loose ends and find the connections from Elronds house down to our present time.
I think there is a fading & an awakening and re-emerging at the same time. While we are *not* elves in the sense that (obviously) our physical bodies die, we *are* elves in the sense of spirit & bloodline (in some cases), and hence are the closest relation to Elves, so we are contemporary Elves as much as elveness can be on the physical plane... for now.
Elrond is of Elwe Thingol:
Elwe + Melian >Luthien + Beren >>Dior + Nimloth >>>Earendil + Elwing >>ELROND It is Arwen that also brings in the house of Olwe through Celebrian, Galadriel, Earwen & Olwe.
Some speculate that the Elves "sailed" (I'm assuming seagoing vessels here?) to Ireland and became the Sidhe. If this is related to the Tuatha de Dannan, they did not arrive in seagoing vessels but from the sky. I know legend tells it both ways, but I believe the sky route. The Formorians in their initial resistance put up a magical force field (or perhaps even technological - remnant of some Atlantian thing?) Some of this speculation can be found here: http://lostworldofennor.angelcities.com/Peoples/Eldar.htm
I don't think full "Elves" sailed to North America, but probably people of Elvish descent (not full elves). These would be the people who made the Ohio River mounds and Americas Stonehenge in New Hampshire, and those discussed in America BC by Barry Fell. Celts & Phoenicians did sail to America in BC times, but these were largely of the race of men, with a few people of part elven descent. This would be one way Elven bloodlines got mingled into Native American.
It is true that some of the eastern Native tribes have in their oral traditions that their ancestors came from across the great sea. Some also have the tradition that ancestors came from the Pleiades star system. There is evidence of both. I believe some of these star people could have been Maiar who were not of this earth but more like angelic beings. Native Americans are definitely not all of the same stock. On the west coast they have more asian features. But on the east coast there are some who have caucasian features or even north African. (Points to the Egyptian theory). Now what happened is that people came from the west and crossed into Alaska from Siberia. People also came from the east and settled all along the east coast and as far as up into the Mississippi and Ohio rever valleys. The two groups eventually met and mingled. In 1995 I wrote a story from "memory" (ancestral memory) that spoke of a journey undertaken by a young Native girl with red hair who was from the Yukon region of the Northwest. She traveled southeast, met up with someone near the great lakes and stayed for a while, having a child there. Then she continued on to present day Tennessee where she met up with people from across the great sea and she married and had children there. Her original tribes descendents would be called the Athabascan today. The people near the great lakes (Minnesota area) would be a distant branch of the Lakota/Dakota, and those in the southeast would be the Cherokee and other related tribes. Sounds like quite a journey, and possibly just a fanciful attempt at creative writing. But as I wrote it came as something I was REMEMBERING, as if I was that girl. On top of that the girl’s family all had "star names" because they were connected to the stars and specifically 7 great stars. Her red hair was unusual because at the time I thought all natives had jet black hair. I was actually pretty ignorant of Native culture at the time. Why I gave that girl red hair in the story I really don't know. Well, years later come to find out I learn that Pleiadian star people landed inthe Yukon Territory some 10,000 years ago and mingled with the natives already there. Their offspring were natives with red hair. Legend of Star Crash by Delores Cannon speaks of this from recalled memories. I've lived in the northwest and there are indeed some natives with copper red hair, the SAME unique color that I visualized in my story, EXCEPT I wrote the story 5 years before I ever went to that area of the world!
We do see there were lots of migrations, and I do believe some Elven ones or at least "half elves" came to North America. Whether or not it was those specific bands from Numenor, I don't know. But I do believe some came who had elven bloodlines.
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Re: THE HOUSE OF ELROND « Reply #4 on Aug 26, 2005, 9:21am »
Continued.......
Which ( nation or clan) do you think Eldarions kids formed? I believe at least one branch was the Pict Kings or chieftans of the Scottish highland country. Or was that through any of the daughters? Now the daughters were still royalty, right? (Arwens daughters). And it is said that the Picts were matrilineal, at least for a time. I wish I could just turn on and access memories at will, but it's not that simple. I get bits and pieces here and there, sometimes big pieces, but I have to still tie things together and try to fill in missing gaps.
It would make sense that it was a sister of Eldarion because of the matrilineal aspect of ancient Picts. That got corrupted later, but we know they did at one time have matrilineage. I mainly research Scottish/Pictish lines because that's who my maternal grandfather and his family descended from. It seems I get these memories and write them down, always BEFORE I learn anything about the actual people - then when I finally learn about them from other sources I find the information dovetails perfectly with the memory stuff I had written down years before.
My theory/beliefs about the Picts constantly are being fed with more information since I started learning of them this spring. Well, it seems I always knew of them, but not by name and not by recorded history. The Picts actually come from several different races. I do believe Arwens line and technically (though not "officially" the house of Elrond) is in there, probably through a sister of Eldarion . Then there is the question of Sylvan, the wood Elf. We do know some Picts were fair and some were actually small and dark complexion - at least dark for the region. Here's where I think Egyptian came in. And the Irish coming over when the Milesians came and the Tuatha De Dannan began to disperse and go "underground." Aine of the Dannan is known in both Ireland & Scotland. Her discription is identicle to Spica - an Orion / Egyptian born off world who came to the Celts after the great flood abated, and also these two are nearly identical to the description of Arien recorded by Tolkien. Even dress the same way. Is it recorded that Arien mated? I haven't seen it. But who did Olwe mate. I haven't seen that either. And how did Arwen say Spica was her "grandmother?" (meaning she descended from Spica). Aine is a sun goddess. Arien drove the ship of the sun. Spica came in a ship that appears as a bright star when it's energy fields are powered up. I just wonder if different peoples histories record a different name for the same being. Compare the ancient Babylonian epics with the Bible. Same thing happens there.
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Re: THE HOUSE OF ELROND « Reply #5 on Aug 29, 2005, 3:12pm »
The following is a conversation I had with my cousin about Elven descent:
“Arwen had 3 daughters actually, and one son Eldarion. I knew I was related at least to Arwens grandparent’s grandparents (something like that) but there is also the connection that my Scottish ancestors were the Picts (or Cruithne) of the Highlands, and they descend from the house of Elrond through Arwen. I don't know exactly which of Arwens children is their ancestor or if more than one is. Someone told me it would be one of Arwens daughters and that makes sense because the Scotish picts were matrilineal at first until the male kings started messing that up and eventually turned on their own people with Kenneth MacAlpins treason in the 800s. Not so long ago eh? So do you know anything about all this? I know one or more of Arwens kids ended up being the ancestor of the Picts, and some of the Picts were ancestors to the MacKenzies, (MacKenzies figure into the bloodline about 400 years after MacAlpin the Pictish King or in the 1200s) MacKenzie is my grandfathers Clan. I also know the Picts were perceived as "Faeries" and this is due to their ancestry traced to the Tuatha de Dannan of Ireland and the goddess Aine who in all descriptions appears the same as Spica (in Arwensoracle) and Arien in Tolkiens legendarium. Even dress exactly the same way! And do the same things because they ride the ship of the sun. So, your thoughts on this? So we are both of the house of Gondor, and also of the house of Elrond through Arwen. The house of Elrond did NOT pass away as some people claim it passed away when Arwen chose mortality. The Elven blood did not pass away. We are still here are we not?”
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Luthien Telcontar wrote:
“I do know that the Tuatha De Danaan (or Children of the Goddess Danu) were descendants of the Elves who came from Valinor and Lorien. This is possible because according to the Appendix of LOTR, shortly after Aragorn-Elessar ascended the throne, the Elves that remained in Middle-Earth began to establish forests and homes in and near Gondor (specifically in the areas near Osgiliath and Minas Tirith).
Elrond's line (the Noldor Elves) went through Arwen and her descendants, who retained the Royal Bloodlines for ages. Now, as to the question of the Scots, I do not believe it stops there.
My own opinion is this:
When the Tuatha invaded Ireland, they were Elves. They, too, used Swan-bearing ships as they always did (much like the Vikings used Dragons on theirs). When the Milesians (modern Celts) invaded Ireland, there is evidence in the Celtic Legends that they lived side-by-side for quite some time. The Milesians learned Shamanism from the Elves, and combined it with their Druidic priesthood to create the unique Druidic religious system that permeated the entire European landscape for millenia, until the rise of the Roman Empire. Incidentally, there is a recorded fact in the Roman records that indicates the Roman legions under Ceasar eliminated the last of the Elves from Ireland, while they were en-route on a sea voyage. Where the remaining Elves were remains to be seen. I believe there are Elvish strongholds still in hidden places in Europe where they settled long ago, now known in legends and myths as the "Faeries of the Mists."
The nobility of Gondor-Arnor, I believe, fled in the latter days before the desruction of Middle-Earth to various parts of their colonies, when they once again rose to dominate like Numenor before them. I believe that many of the Noble Classes, including the Stewards, fled to Scotland, Egypt and Asia Minor.
The Stewards fled towards Scotland, along with some of the Elves and other refugees, creating a similar atmosphere to Ireland in their language, customs and traditions. They may have blended with the native peoples of Wales there as well. This gave the British Isles the unique magickal and historical atmosphere it still carries today. This royal line can still be traced to the modern Steward Family of Scotland. It is also my guess that some of the Royal Family (distant relatives or perhaps others belonging to the Clans of the Royal lineages) may also have fled to establish the pure-bloodlines of the Scots, interbreeding with the native tribes already there.
I do not know of the Main Royal Family. Personally I believe in later times the family may have divided, much like it did when Arnor fell and the line of Isildur was broken. It seems that if one researches carefully what happens to the Family when they are doing well, they grow strong and unite Men. When they falter (Numenor, Arnor, Gondor), the line of Kings breaks, and they divide. I believe that when Middle-Earth was destroyed, the Royal lineage (already broken and probably warring amongst themselves from their lineages), separated and established flourishing kingdoms throughout Europe, Asia Minor and North Africa. Among these are Egypt, Minoa, Crete, Britain, Ireland, Greece and Troy.
Where the lineages came from, specifically as to which sibling was the origin of the new Family Dynasties, can only be speculated. It is my guess that during the lifetimes of the Children of Arwen and Aragorn that the Royal Line remained unbroken. It may have been after this Golden Age that the line deteriorated, due to dissent among the kingdoms, a love of power, as well as the need for future generations to count their sires more than their children.
Just my opinion.”
~ Aurora & Aelwyn [used by permission]
My Reply:
“Yes, Milesians and TDD lived together for awhile. Some TDD fled to Scotland but some stayed and mixed with the Milesians. Now of course to say the TDD were Elves and not Fae can offend some hard core Faerie faith people. But we know better and Elf and Fae can be used interchangeably in many instances - this being one of them. Now I believe the TDD came in ships from the sky as well - probably both by sea and sky since the legends appear to be about split as to their mode of arrival. This would explain Spica arriving by sky ship and ties in with Arien who drove the sun ship - which, incidently is comparable to Egyptian lore as well. I don't see Middle earth as being "destroyed" but rather transformed - the changing of an age accompanied by earth changes. Numenor of course was destroyed as Atlantis legend tells, and I believe there to be a Middle Earth on a parallel plane now, but that it is also re-emerging. Back in the day Middle Earth/Arda was simply this world. As Tolkien writes at the very beginning of The Hobbit "This is a story of long ago. At that time the languages and letters were quite different from ours of today." Speaking of Roman records, it is also recorded that they could not overcome the Picts of Scotland, and in fact the Picts held them back and kept the Scottish region independent of Roman conquest, though through quite a few bloody battles. I do believe as you that the royal family divided, and have spread out to other parts. But I also believe there's a branch of Scots and Irish that are directly traced back to Arwen & Aragorns children. Although dispersed and mingled with the blood of many others, the line does go back that far.”
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Re: THE HOUSE OF ELROND « Reply #6 on Aug 31, 2005, 7:09pm »
Hi, my name is Mar, and I got link to this site from the Elende group. I wanted to let you know Ravenwolf that you should check out www.alt-tolkien.com, they have an interesting document called the Tresco MS Manuscript, it's basically more compelling evidence that middle-earth existed.
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Re: THE HOUSE OF ELROND « Reply #7 on Sept 1, 2005, 8:10am »
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Hi, my name is Mar, and I got link to this site from the Elende group. I wanted to let you know Ravenwolf that you should check out www.alt-tolkien.com, they have an interesting document called the Tresco MS Manuscript, it's basically more compelling evidence that middle-earth existed.
Welcome Mar! Thanks for that link. I had not come across it yet in my extensive searches for real evidence of Middle Earth. Looks like some really good stuff there
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Re: THE HOUSE OF ELROND « Reply #8 on Sept 8, 2005, 10:24am »
This is from Leonid Korablev. The True Elves of Europe: The Unfallen Elves of J.R.R. Tolkien: He also gives a family tree of Elven descent on the website: http://www.shelltown.net/~dangweth/elfsaga.html
Scotland: Rev. Robert Kirk (1630-1692), believed to have been taken in 1692 by the Elves [10] to live among them, composed "The Secret Commonwealth of Elves, Fauns and Fairies", a detailed note on Elves derived from collecting local lore and "his own experiences". It is interesting that 114 years later, his successor at the same parish, Rev. Patrick Graham returned to the topic in his "Sketches Descriptive Picturesque Scenery of the Southern Confines of Perthshire" published in 1806 and containing interesting information on the Scottish counterpart of Elves, Daoine Sithe.
Of the latter we must say in more detail. Although not directly "Elves" in most sources, Scottish daoine sithe, Irish daoine sidhe, and even the Danaan deities, Welsh Tylwyth Teg and other beings of Celtic mythological traditions possess the same features and the Elves proper. The sources below allow us to think of North-Western European Elves as consisting of two large groups - the Scandinavian and Germanic branch (with whom the name Elves is usually associated) and the Celtic branch, represented by the above mentioned beings and Trows of Shetland Isles. Indeed, we can think of our 'original' image of Elves as predating both traditions, a common ancestor of both branches. Naturally, Celtic imagination captured and retained a somewhat different image, in perfect agreement with the difference between the Celtic and Teutonic mentality. Thus we have:
Scotland (Daoine Sithe): Rev. Patrick Graham "Sketches Descriptive of Picturesque Scenery of the Southern Confines of Perthshire" (1806): 1,2,4,7 J.F. Campbell "Legend of Islay": 4, "Kirkcundbright": 1,2, "Sutherland legend #4": 4,5 ["Popular Tales of the West Highlands", 1890-1893]
Ireland (Daoine Sidhe): We can find all the above features except 6 in old Irish legends of Tuatha De Danaan, as described in "The Book of Leinster", "The Book of the Dun Cow" and other well-known sources. In modern times we have the works of: Lady Wilde "Ancient Legends of Ireland" (1887): 1,2,3,4,5 W.B. Yeats "Irish Fairy and Folktales" (1893): 1,2,3,4,5 W.Y. Evans-Wentz "The fairy faith in Celtic countries" (1911): 1 through 6
Wales (Tylwyth Teg and Gwragedd Annwn): King Gowran of Welsh Triads (V): 5 pseudo-Gildas's "Description of the Isle of Avalon" (XII): 1,2,5 W. Owen (Pughe) "Geiriadur" (Welsh-English Dictionary, 1803): 1,2 [11] "The Legend of the Meddygon Myddfai" (ca. 1230): 1,2,4,5,7 Th. Keightley "The Fairy Mythology...." ,1850, W. Sikes "British Goblins " 1880: "The Legend about secret garden of Tylwyth Teg (or Gwragedd Annwn) near Brecknock": 1,2,4,5 "The Legend about Shui Rhys (Cardiganshire)", mentioned by W. Sikes: 6 W. Howells "The Pembrokeshire Legend" (1830): 1(?),2,4,5 J. Rhys "Celtic Folklore" (1901): 1(?),2,4,5,6,7
Shetland Isles (Trows): John Spense "Shetland folk-lore" (1899): 4,5,7
Elvish Ancestors. As we have mentioned above, claiming Elvish ancestry was not at all unusual in ancient Germanic (Scandinavian) lands; similar cases are to be found in Wales & in the whole Gaelic area as well. Such ancestry allowed to perform deeds hard or impossible for mere humans.
In "Das Niebelungenlied" we find that the resistance of the Burgunds endures mostly because of Hagen's (Hoegni) feats, whose Elvish ancestry makes it hard for his mortal opponents to defeat him; finally, he is vanquished by Dietrich of Bern (THidhrekr), who was reputed to be the son of an elf. A later Middle High German song tells of Alphart, a knight of the same Dietrich, who was able to disperse a host of enemies by challenging them one by one to a single fight. In Welsh lore ("Meddigon Meddfai", 1230 AD) we find the story of three brothers, the sons of "gwraig Annwn" (an elvish wife), who, due to virtues of their descent, became famous doctors in Wales. [Add here also similar traditions witnessed by Scottish minister Rev. P. Graham.]
Re: THE HOUSE OF ELROND « Reply #9 on Sept 10, 2005, 2:47pm »
[quote author=admin board=arwen thread=1124881084 post=1124922506][b]My Grandfather was of the Mackenzie clan. His middle name was Muir and he had Muir in his ancestry. The Muirs origin was with Fergus Mor of Ireland who fought against the Picts and later mingled. with the Picts. The Picts, as I have shown in Between Sky & Earth are descended from the Fae and/or Star Elves.
"Fergus Mor was the son of Erc, King of Irish Dalriada. By right, Fergus became King of Dalriada in about 498 AD. He soon moved his seat of power from Ireland to Scotland. "
My fiance is a descendent of a Moore (could be spelled Moor) who came here in 17 something and settled in New York. THere was a town called Mooresville that was named after him. It is now called something else, I don't recall what he told me it is now called.
I wonder if this Mor or even if the Muir is related to the Moore. We all know how names have changed over time. My maternal side is very American French so Brabow could have been Brabeaux or Brabent, etc. I do know that his family has researched the Moore line to 1200 something, bascially, the middle ages. For the Americans in the family tree, they all get a number starting with the first descendents of the Moore who settled here. When I marry him, I will get a number too as his wife.
It is this side of the family that he gets his paganism from. The women passed on their secrets to their daughters, but he was one of two sons in his family so he learned stuff from his grandmother and his mother. These are family traditions that they just didn't talk about to people outside of the family. All the while, attending church with the rest of the community. VEry interesting family history.
Re: THE HOUSE OF ELROND « Reply #11 on Sept 11, 2005, 10:08am »
Cool, thanks. I have to find out the name of the Moore who came here. Might be Thomas, but I really don't remember. He had a boreing factory in Scotland. They bored out wood for water pipes. He went to France once and saw they were doing the smae thing, only out of cast iron. He knew he would be out of business so he went back home and sold the business (which was doing very well) to an Englishman and moved to the US. Being a true Scotsman, he never really liked the English. I think that's why the family has such pride and connection that they get together for family reunions every 5 years. It's a big deal and most of the men waer kilts. This family connection to the Murs does explain a lot about my fiance though. JUst confirms my suspicions that he is fae.
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Re: THE HOUSE OF ELROND « Reply #12 on Sept 11, 2005, 10:14pm »
At first I thought you meant a boring factory as in tedious... not Bore ing .... Yeah, lots of "true Scots" don't like the English, but it's really that age old grudge thing we talked about elsewhere. Silly now because it's in the past. Back east I used to watch the parades where the men wore kilts and played bagpipes when I was a kid.
I would really like to learn of Arwen & Aragorns childrens lines.... not only Eldarion, but the daughters too. Since I know of 2 girls who claim to have been one of Arwens daughters in a past life maybe they might be able to access memories. If I run into any more than those 2 I would have to say that supports my ancestral memories theory, since I think Arwen only had 2 daughters...
Re: THE HOUSE OF ELROND « Reply #13 on Sept 15, 2005, 6:53pm »
I can't say that I feel I am descended from anyone "important" as in royal or integral to the history. I think I am just another elf. But then, as far as I know, no one on either side of my family really came from any "important" lineage either. With the possible exception of my Italian great-grandmother (the reason I have the ability to tan). She knew how to read and write English very well when she came here. She just couldn't speak it. She also came here at 26 and was single. Very unheard of from Italy in that time period. She was an attractive, little woman too. We all speculated that she was running away from her family because they wanted her to marry some old man. She had quite a lot of spirit for such a little woman. She definitey showed signs of an education too, and only people with money educated thier daughters in such a manner. She died long before I was a thought in my mother's head so I only have the stories to listen to to understand her.
Since the world couldn't be full of kings and royalty, I suspect that I am just an ordinary elf. I don't think I am meant to do ordinary things but I could be mistaken on that one.
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Re: THE HOUSE OF ELROND « Reply #14 on Sept 15, 2005, 8:22pm »
All Elves are special because they are called and chosen for this time. All Elves have the gift of magic and closeness to nature. In this world that is very special. True signs of "royalty" are not in bloodlines or whether or not someone can lead (or lord over) people. It is that they can understand people and become as the "ordinary" folk such as Aragorn did. And some "royalty" we would even be ashamed to admit to being in the family. Such would be the case of Kenneth MacAlpin if he is in my ancestry by blood or marraige. He was a traitor to his own people and killed the tribal clan leaders of the Picts which was a turning point in history and led to the demise of their culture. What the Roman armies couldn't do this "king" (gag, yak!) did because he was able to be on the inside, being half Pict himself. Nope, don't like him too much.
As far as Elves, all Elves descend from the originals: all are kings & queens and priests and priestesses in some way.
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